B C Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 Does anyone have experience doing PLC programming, or setting up Micrologix controllers/Panelview displays? I no longer have a controls engineer at work and I have to get a machine programmed and debugged before Friday. I have never done this before and have managed to get the program loaded onto the controller and am now trying to load the display program to the Panelview, then get the comms setup. I have had many small miracles take place and with a measure of good luck, I may succeed tomorrow. In case I run into some dead ends, does anyone have experience that I may be able to lean on regarding loading and setup? Contractors/tech support has been hard to find and to receive Rockwell/AB tech support means renewing a 3 year service contract for $4000 that will very likely never be used again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipMF Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 I avoided all PLC classes in school because I didn't want to get sucked into an industrial maintenance career path. I have a general idea what's going on, but the odds of me being able to answer any specific question you have is about 0% Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted March 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 Half of the struggle has just been putting the pieces all together such as finding the software, cables, and files to use when I dont know what they would be named or where they would be saved on the server. The controller itself having serial, ethernet, round (ps/9?) serial, and usb connections on it and getting the laptop to connect with the correct port was an adventure in itself. The only reason I took this challenge on is because the program should, in theory, be identical to a program created for a similar machine I designed 3 years ago. I have been preparing a contingency plan but the current state of the world has limited my ability to hire a contractor. I did my best to extract information from the controls engineer that was let go in December but understandably he was reluctant to help. Friday I thought there was a critical mission failure. I had found the file containing the GUI program for the Panelview and when I opened it up, it appeared blank like a new Word document that was saved right away with no text. Checking the file size (2kb) scared me as well. I am in no position to create a new GUI on such a short timeline. After some screwing around I was able to get the contents to show up and sure enough, the whole program exists in a 2kb file and looks to be complete/useable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straight6pwr Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 52 minutes ago, B C said: I did my best to extract information from the controls engineer that was let go in December but understandably he was reluctant to help. did you offer him monies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted March 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, straight6pwr said: did you offer him monies? Yep, there is the complication of a 6 month period before you can hire a former employee as a contractor so i’d have to pay him out of my own pocket and im not sure how I would recoup that other than stealing pens from the supply cabinet for the next 30 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc43089 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Hit me up if you need help. I've done lots of PLC programming, all AB stuff. Most much more complicated than Micrologix, I think you have my number. B C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Not feeling great today as I didnt get much sleep, had to pick up a relative from the airport late last night and then he lost his keys and needs to borrow a car to get to work this week so I gave him my Honda and i'm driving the van until the weather stops acting a fool and I can get my dose of Vitamin ///M I got to work a little extra early to meet a contractor who was supposed to be able to click-click-clickety-DONE and get me out of this mess for probably a lot of dollars. When the contractor arrived, he called me from his car and said that he heard our painter was sick last week and wouldnt come in until he knew that the painter had been tested for covid-19. He has been sent home since he was sick last Wednesday and has not been tested. The contractor would not come inside. His boss called me and apologized, and told me he hopes I can find help elsewhere. Yes, me too. I dont blame the guy, I just wish it could have been handled a little differently. He isnt willing to work over skype/phone call either. More small miracles: I ended up finding instructions for establishing ethernet communication without having a Rockwell Automation service account, thanks to a cached version of the instruction page via google. I have the 2nd program loaded up and now it seems I just need to get the IP addresses synchronized between the display and the controller and I should be good to go. I am not spinning my wheels just quite yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m42b32 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Not sure if this is helpful, but Rockwell has all of it's user manuals available online. Here is the the manual for the MicroLogix 1400: https://literature.rockwellautomation.com/idc/groups/literature/documents/um/1766-um001_-en-p.pdf I work at RA but have nothing to do with PLC's so I cant really help beyond that unfortunately... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc43089 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 23 hours ago, B C said: Not feeling great today as I didnt get much sleep, had to pick up a relative from the airport late last night and then he lost his keys and needs to borrow a car to get to work this week so I gave him my Honda and i'm driving the van until the weather stops acting a fool and I can get my dose of Vitamin ///M I got to work a little extra early to meet a contractor who was supposed to be able to click-click-clickety-DONE and get me out of this mess for probably a lot of dollars. When the contractor arrived, he called me from his car and said that he heard our painter was sick last week and wouldnt come in until he knew that the painter had been tested for covid-19. He has been sent home since he was sick last Wednesday and has not been tested. The contractor would not come inside. His boss called me and apologized, and told me he hopes I can find help elsewhere. Yes, me too. I dont blame the guy, I just wish it could have been handled a little differently. He isnt willing to work over skype/phone call either. More small miracles: I ended up finding instructions for establishing ethernet communication without having a Rockwell Automation service account, thanks to a cached version of the instruction page via google. I have the 2nd program loaded up and now it seems I just need to get the IP addresses synchronized between the display and the controller and I should be good to go. I am not spinning my wheels just quite yet. So you have a Micrologix 1400 and what kind of Panelview? The Panelview program has a programmed shortcut which points to the IP of the PLC, you can't change it without software but if you know what it is you can change the PLC to match. I'm assuming this is a Panelview plus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted March 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, jc43089 said: So you have a Micrologix 1400 and what kind of Panelview? The Panelview program has a programmed shortcut which points to the IP of the PLC, you can't change it without software but if you know what it is you can change the PLC to match. I'm assuming this is a Panelview plus? PV800 I believe I have things sorted out and discovered 2 problems. The IP addresses for both components need the first 6 digits to match (this is probably obvious to anyone in networking but as I am a noob, they seemed arbitrary as long as you were pointing the PanelView to the IP address of the PLC. The second issue is that there are 3 places to change the IP address. One is set in the program on the PC via Connected Components Workbench, another is the PanelView Terminal settings, the third is under File Manager > Controller settings. This one was not set correctly (and apparently exists as a master/slave that can have a different IP for some application for which I am not even qualified to begin thinking about) In just a few minutes I will go fire up the machine and see how it goes. Watch for explosions/factory meltdowns on the news...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunMetalGrey Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, B C said: Watch for explosions/factory meltdowns on the news...... All we can hope for is that Les McBurney will be on scene! P_Roloff, B C and m42b32 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipMF Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 39 minutes ago, B C said: In just a few minutes I will go fire up the machine and see how it goes. Watch for explosions/factory meltdowns on the news...... A U T O M A T I O N B C and jc43089 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris3 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, B C said: In just a few minutes I will go fire up the machine and see how it goes. Watch for explosions/factory meltdowns on the news...... This all sounds strangely familiar to the e30 startup stories from a few years ago. All will be listening/watching but the difference is we're not taking up a collection if the "head gasket" leaks... B C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted March 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 I am routinely in over my head on projects in every aspect of my life. I rely a lot on dumb luck. patsbimmer1 and m42b32 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc43089 Posted March 25, 2020 Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 16 hours ago, B C said: I am routinely in over my head on projects in every aspect of my life. I rely a lot on dumb luck. Better lucky than good! There is a lot to the network stuff. The subnet mask determines how many octets of the ip need to match, 255.255.255.0 in the subnet mask would mean that the first 3 octets of the IP need to match. 255.255.0.0 would mean only the first 2 octets of the IP need to match. The Gateway only is used if this is connected to a plant network and is the IP of the switch or possibly more complicated if there are a bunch of VLANs. If it just an isolated machine it is much easier. I sent you my phone number, call me if you have trouble. B C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted March 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 The electrical/wiring guy is completely inept with regards to critical thinking. At this phase I have the PLC all figured out, but need to troubleshoot all the sensors in order to satisfy the machine. This is where he, or someone qualified (like the electrical engineer that was fired) should be able to check through the sensors and determine which ones should be normally open or normally closed and be able to get the sensors to the state they need to be in to make the program happy. Alas, here I am doing this job while I get even further behind on the work I was already far behind on. 20% of people in a company do 80% of the work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc43089 Posted March 25, 2020 Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, B C said: The electrical/wiring guy is completely inept with regards to critical thinking. At this phase I have the PLC all figured out, but need to troubleshoot all the sensors in order to satisfy the machine. This is where he, or someone qualified (like the electrical engineer that was fired) should be able to check through the sensors and determine which ones should be normally open or normally closed and be able to get the sensors to the state they need to be in to make the program happy. Alas, here I am doing this job while I get even further behind on the work I was already far behind on. 20% of people in a company do 80% of the work Is this a brand new machine? WHat is it doing/making? How much I/O are you dealing with? I assume not a ton if it's a Micro1400. I love fixing stuff, I do miss that not being in the field anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipMF Posted March 25, 2020 Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 hours ago, B C said: 20% of people in the economy do 80% of the work P_Roloff and B C 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted March 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, HipMF said: At least we can all expect nice raises and bonuses this year for going above and beyond. right? guys?!?!? HELLO????? m42b32, jc43089 and P_Roloff 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserRolls Posted March 26, 2020 Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 23 hours ago, B C said: At least we can all expect nice raises and bonuses this year for going above and beyond. right? guys?!?!? HELLO????? jc43089, m42b32 and B C 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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