B C Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Probably a bit of a heavy assembly. Is it a difficult to reach area for install? I had enough fun with my M20 stuff and there was a lot of room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_cars Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Snap said: Probably a bit of a heavy assembly. Is it a difficult to reach area for install? I had enough fun with my M20 stuff and there was a lot of room It's best not to think about it. Even with the subframe dropped there isn't much room to work with in the N5x turbo-side of the engine bay. The problem is only amplified by having a larger turbo housing. Shop time calls for roughly 11.5 hours +/- to replace/swap turbos on these cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspenceful Posted June 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 19 hours ago, suspenceful said: Stock vs. not stock. Bringing this over to the next page, just because. 15 hours ago, Snap said: Probably a bit of a heavy assembly. Is it a difficult to reach area for install? I had enough fun with my M20 stuff and there was a lot of room As Jordan said, this job sucks. I wish I could say that I already got my stock turbos removed, but the ones in the picture above are from my friends N54. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggerty Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Top mount makes install so much easier. Bottom mount + no lift = workout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspenceful Posted June 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Finally cleaned the white car this weekend and filled in some small paint chips. Jdesign 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspenceful Posted June 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Update on the 135i: I had a BMW technician friend do some work to the car. I didn't want to deal with dropping the transmission while laying on my back on the floor of my garage. I just wanted to concentrate on the turbo install, so he did the following: Replaced upgraded clutch with an even more upgraded clutch (Spec Stage 3+, kept my MFactory SMFW in there) New bellhousing bolts, throwout bearing and clutch fork Replaced transmission mounts with poly upgraded mounts Replaced shifter bushings with upgraded parts Replaced rear pinion seal and flush/fill the differential I picked up the car and expected the clutch to be a pain to drive. Surprisingly it isn't much worse than the OEM 335is/550i clutch. Definitely daily driveable! The shifter feels tighter and notchier, I'm very happy. I put about 30 miles on the clutch and brought the car home to get started on the turbo install. I put the car in the air and took off the front bumper right away. I don't have the most tools in the world, but I managed to get the subframe and steering rack out in about 4 hours. Another 2 hours and I had the fan, engine mount, downpipes, intercooler, inlets, outlets, water pump, and coolant lines out of the car. I felt pretty accomplished after all of this. I discovered what coolant tastes like and was covered in grime, but knew I was making good progress. I decided to call it a night and clean up the garage so I could get a fresh start after work tonight again. Next step is to remove the oil pan and replace that gasket, and then remove the stock turbos. bk335 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Nice work=) Have you don't any suspension upgrades or a refresh on this yet? I can't imagine how original bushings would feel with all of this power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspenceful Posted June 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Earl said: Nice work=) Have you don't any suspension upgrades or a refresh on this yet? I can't imagine how original bushings would feel with all of this power Nope, all stock. It's lowered on springs, but that's the only "upgrade". I plan to do rear subframe inserts soon because people say really good things about them. A full suspension overhaul is definitely something I want to do, but probably won't happen for another year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Were the bushings ever done before you? I can't see them being in all that good of shape now if not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Green coolant tastes rather nice. Those pictures scare me, but my ideal car would have 6 feet of clearance on every side of every fastener. Nice work digging in there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasnt m3 Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Any plans for an LSD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspenceful Posted June 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Earl said: Were the bushings ever done before you? I can't see them being in all that good of shape now if not Not that I'm aware of. I'm sure the car could definitely use a refresh... 1 hour ago, Snap said: Green coolant tastes rather nice. Those pictures scare me, but my ideal car would have 6 feet of clearance on every side of every fastener. Nice work digging in there! Sadly, this was the blue stuff. Doesn't taste nearly as good, but thanks! 1 hour ago, wasnt m3 said: Any plans for an LSD? Eventually, yes. I'm sure it will need one. Probably a winter project - I'm tapped for funds right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdesign Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I'm really surprised the one series don't have a factory LSD besides the 1M? Is it available as a factory option at least? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspenceful Posted June 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Jdesign said: I'm really surprised the one series don't have a factory LSD besides the 1M? Is it available as a factory option at least? It really needs one, even in stock form. But they had to do something to set the 1M apart since it has the same motor I'm not sure if it's a factory option, I doubt it because I've never seen anyone post about having one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspenceful Posted June 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Made a little more progress last night. Got the turbos out and all oil/coolant lines off. Unbolting the manifolds was the easy part. Removing the coolant and oil lines from the block and from the turbos was a painful, tedious process since I planned on re-using the lines. I started to remove the PS pump/pulley so I could remove the oil pan, but didn't have a large enough torx bit to loosen the tension on the belt. I'll grab one today and get back after it tonight. I'd like to drop the oil pan and clean everything up while replacing the gasket. Then I'll do the oil filter housing gaskets and start putting things back together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_cars Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Never re-use those oil and coolant lines. They are cheap shitty rubber. Replace all of them, especially at your high mileage, and especially while you still have the turbos out and hopefully haven't re-installed everything yet. Once you have the car back together, in case you do not know the proper priming process for turbo replacements on N5x cars: (Assuming you have relieved fuel pressure and disconnected the fuel pump fuse and ran the car until it died prior to starting this project like you should have) - crank the engine (push the start/stop button) 7 times for 7 seconds each time to prime the turbo with oil. Reconnect the fuel pump fuse. Then run the car for 2 minutes at idle, giving it no revs at all, then shut it off and let it cool. Once cool, start again for 15 minutes, again at idle with no revs. Shut it off and let it cool. Once cool, do a final run at 30 minutes, at idle, no revs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, i_love_cars said: Never re-use those oil and coolant lines. They are cheap shitty rubber. Replace all of them, especially at your high mileage, and especially while you still have the turbos out and hopefully haven't re-installed everything yet. Once you have the car back together, in case you do not know the proper priming process for turbo replacements on N5x cars: (Assuming you have relieved fuel pressure and disconnected the fuel pump fuse and ran the car until it died prior to starting this project like you should have) - crank the engine (push the start/stop button) 7 times for 7 seconds each time to prime the turbo with oil. Reconnect the fuel pump fuse. Then run the car at WOT for 20 minutes before hopping on the highway and challenging everyone to a 60 roll. KaiserRolls, patsbimmer1, suspenceful and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk335 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Jdesign said: I'm really surprised the one series don't have a factory LSD besides the 1M? Is it available as a factory option at least? No factory option. The first modern non-M car to get an optional LSD was the M235i. suspenceful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunMetalGrey Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 37 minutes ago, i_love_cars said: Never re-use those oil and coolant lines. They are cheap shitty rubber. Replace all of them, especially at your high mileage, and especially while you still have the turbos out and hopefully haven't re-installed everything yet. Once you have the car back together, in case you do not know the proper priming process for turbo replacements on N5x cars: (Assuming you have relieved fuel pressure and disconnected the fuel pump fuse and ran the car until it died prior to starting this project like you should have) - crank the engine (push the start/stop button) 7 times for 7 seconds each time to prime the turbo with oil. Reconnect the fuel pump fuse. Then run the car for 2 minutes at idle, giving it no revs at all, then shut it off and let it cool. Once cool, start again for 15 minutes, again at idle with no revs. Shut it off and let it cool. Once cool, do a final run at 30 minutes, at idle, no revs. I'm all for priming oil but what is the reason behind idling it for a combined 47 minutes? Are these engines prone to air bubbles trapped in the oil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspenceful Posted June 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 42 minutes ago, i_love_cars said: Never re-use those oil and coolant lines. They are cheap shitty rubber. Replace all of them, especially at your high mileage, and especially while you still have the turbos out and hopefully haven't re-installed everything yet. Once you have the car back together, in case you do not know the proper priming process for turbo replacements on N5x cars: (Assuming you have relieved fuel pressure and disconnected the fuel pump fuse and ran the car until it died prior to starting this project like you should have) - crank the engine (push the start/stop button) 7 times for 7 seconds each time to prime the turbo with oil. Reconnect the fuel pump fuse. Then run the car for 2 minutes at idle, giving it no revs at all, then shut it off and let it cool. Once cool, start again for 15 minutes, again at idle with no revs. Shut it off and let it cool. Once cool, do a final run at 30 minutes, at idle, no revs. Ugh, it's like $500 for all new lines. That's a nice chunk of LSD money. I'll be cleaning them up, blowing compressed air through them, and inspecting them. I want to replace them, but was very careful about removing them. We'll see. I didn't relieve fuel pressure and let the car die. I was planning on disconnecting the injector harness and letting the engine crank over to prime the turbos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_cars Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 hours ago, GunMetalGrey said: I'm all for priming oil but what is the reason behind idling it for a combined 47 minutes? Are these engines prone to air bubbles trapped in the oil? You could probably get away with less (just a single startup of the car) but the reasoning is that the oil takes forever to warm up in these cars at idle, although it's summer so Jake's car may cycle faster. Mine took a long time to warm up due to ambient oil temp being so much lower cuz I did my install in winter. 2 reasons - first is making sure you get the turbo bearings lubricated fully at normal operating oil viscosity which is safer at idle. Driving the car which is prone to accidentally getting into boost puts you at risk of damaging those brand new bearings before everything is properly lubricated. Secondly, you want to make sure that there's absolutely no leaks anywhere at normal operating temperatures before putting subframe and everything back in because taking it all apart again would be....frustrating to say the least. I think you know these things already - it's really just the fact that oil takes longer to warm up on these cars so the idle times seem very long. Having a cold oil cycle for a couple minutes followed by another medium-length cycle is just iterative testing recommended by the BMW techs I talked to before going through the install myself. Personally I wouldn't be concerned as long as the car is allowed to cycle to full temperature at idle before putting it on the street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Did Ben get a temp gun yet? If so, borrow Ben's temp gun jc43089, suspenceful and KaiserRolls 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsbimmer1 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Great to see progress! Keep it up! When's the murder box going in the passenger seat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspenceful Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 11 hours ago, patsbimmer1 said: Great to see progress! Keep it up! When's the murder box going in the passenger seat? Thanks man! I'm not quite sure what you mean by murder box in the passenger seat though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunMetalGrey Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, suspenceful said: Thanks man! I'm not quite sure what you mean by murder box in the passenger seat though I've also been trying to figure out what it could be... 16 hours ago, Snap said: Did Ben get a temp gun yet? If so, borrow Ben's temp gun What's a temp gun? KaiserRolls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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