mkoepp Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Well I got her home last Sunday will the help of TCD and frcefed. Thanks guys. I have a few things to take care of before making any plans. I am getting a U-Haul later this week and getting my engine hoist and stand back home. Once I have all my crap here I have a few minor issues with the 533 to address and then it's swap time. The swap will be much easier thanks to TCD. Many of the systems were left in the car (steering, HVAC and dash ect..). Just glad to have it in the garage at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrLeadFoot Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 What do you have planned? Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkoepp Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 What do you have planned?Sent from my SCH-I535 using TapatalkI plan on taking all the parts from this and putting in them in the newly acquired shell. It is going to be a M30 to M20 swap. The M20 is a good runner and good on gas plus is a Super eta. My pa rebuilt the auto trans about 20k ago and I have the car pretty well sorted. Due to the rust I really don’t think it can go another winter and still stay together. I was thinking about taking the drive train out of the 533, it would be much easier and quick but due to the rust on the 528e and the fact the 533 still looks pretty good I have to go with the m20 swap. My only concern at this point (and will have many more I am sure) is the brakes. The 535 has hydro and the seta has vacuum. I have done some research and found the vacuum brakes need intake vac pressure to work. Can I just plug the intake inlet on the M20 and use the hydro brakes? I have to....and should have done more research before posting this but I thought I would throw it out there as it is my main concern at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I cannot wait to see this car put back together. It is such a clean shell and looked really good previously. Did you end up getting the euro bumpers with it at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I plan on taking all the parts from this and putting in them in the newly acquired shell. It is going to be a M30 to M20 swap. The M20 is a good runner and good on gas plus is a Super eta. My pa rebuilt the auto trans about 20k ago and I have the car pretty well sorted. Due to the rust I really don’t think it can go another winter and still stay together. I was thinking about taking the drive train out of the 533, it would be much easier and quick but due to the rust on the 528e and the fact the 533 still looks pretty good I have to go with the m20 swap. My only concern at this point (and will have many more I am sure) is the brakes. The 535 has hydro and the seta has vacuum. I have done some research and found the vacuum brakes need intake vac pressure to work. Can I just plug the intake inlet on the M20 and use the hydro brakes? I have to....and should have done more research before posting this but I thought I would throw it out there as it is my main concern at the moment. THAT'S MY BOY!!!! mkoepp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkoepp Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 No I did not. Would have liked to but they aren't cheap and I am limited on funds at the moment. Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassboy3313 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Looking forward to seeing more of this build. Keep it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkoepp Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 THAT'S MY BOY!!!! I love my M20. I does not have the "snot" that the M30 does but it has gittyup and enough power to have fun. It is lighter than the M30 and therefore handles better. I can feel the difference. I have the big brakes on the 533 so it stops very nice and very fast. One of the first upgrades I will do on Cosmos after getting it road ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungCR Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 My only concern at this point (and will have many more I am sure) is the brakes. The 535 has hydro and the seta has vacuum. I have done some research and found the vacuum brakes need intake vac pressure to work. Can I just plug the intake inlet on the M20 and use the hydro brakes? I have to....and should have done more research before posting this but I thought I would throw it out there as it is my main concern at the moment. Yay for rescuing more E28's! Swap all of the Vaccum brake parts with the motor and that solves your problem. Guys do this instead of replacing the brake bomb's on their M30 cars. http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=102057 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkoepp Posted May 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Yay for rescuing more E28's! Swap all of the Vaccum brake parts with the motor and that solves your problem. Guys do this instead of replacing the brake bomb's on their M30 cars. http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=102057So using the hydro brakes is not an option? I planned on pulling the vac setup on the eta but did not want/need to install it at this time. I was just going to keep the setup for a backup if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungCR Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 So using the hydro brakes is not an option? I planned on pulling the vac setup on the eta but did not want/need to install it at this time. I was just going to keep the setup for a backup if needed.Hmmm I guess I understand your thinking more now, i'm not sure if its possible or has been done. I think you're charting into a new realm of e28 territory by M20 swapping a M30 car. Only example i can think of that I've read about is that M21 turbo diesel swapped 535is that was for sale. Not sure if he had a build thread on myE28 but you could message him about what he did for the brake set up. You know me, unless I've read about it I don't know how things work! mkoepp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc43089 Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 If it was a diesel he probably kept the hydro, they do not have vacuum the same as a gas engine. Some use vacuum pumps though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungCR Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 If it was a diesel he probably kept the hydro, they do not have vacuum the same as a gas engine. Some use vacuum pumps though. 524TD's use vacuum brake booster, M21's are a special diesel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc43089 Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 It has a belt driven vacuum pump then? Another option is to delete the booster using a kit like this. From a little reading it seems wise to go with a smaller diameter master cylinder to require less pedal force. Surprised Earl isn't doing this to keep it ultra clean under the hood. I may actually do this on my e36, undecided yet though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamRod E28 Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Get a g260 behind that seta and a JM performance exhaust and you won't regret it!!! mkoepp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 It has a belt driven vacuum pump then? Another option is to delete the booster using a kit like this. From a little reading it seems wise to go with a smaller diameter master cylinder to require less pedal force. Surprised Earl isn't doing this to keep it ultra clean under the hood. I may actually do this on my e36, undecided yet though. I am doing a Massive Brakes delete haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc43089 Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 ^ I called that one. I meant to link their site: http://www.massivebrakes.com/brake-systems.php?p=brake-booster-delete Have you driven a car without power brakes? I have not, and am curious what it is like. Although proper sizing will make the difference between good and bad I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I have not, but in the name of simplifying everything, I will suffer through it=) jc43089 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Less isnt always more. Countersteering in a rwd car w/o powersteering sucks The Full Banana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Oh well=) I have driven cars without power steering and above 20mph doesnt bother me at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Mkoepp is the drift king though. He doesnt often go for a drive that isnt full of opposite lock mkoepp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkoepp Posted May 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Mkoepp is the drift king though. He doesnt often go for a drive that isnt full of opposite lockOnly been gone from the outernet for 2 days and look at all the replys. I thank you all. I know a M30 to a M20 swap is not a well documented here. I am doing this for several reasons. 1) I am not building a gem here. I want to have the same comfort, gas mileage and enjoyment that my seta provided.2) My dad "loves" the ride with 14" bottle caps and stock suspension. I like the ride also...enjoyable and even more so if you have a bad back as I do.3) I want to have it done with as little down time as possible once started. Mkoepp is the drift king though. He doesnt often go for a drive that isnt full of opposite lockI would like to try this but I value my investment more than I trust my abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc43089 Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Less isnt always more. Countersteering in a rwd car w/o powersteering sucksTrue, I would not remove power steering, but brakes may end up with better control/feel manual if set up properly, the kit already changes the pedal ratio from 4:1 to 6:1 to decrease effort, and you can choose between several master cylinders that will bolt right on to get the desired diameter. Mikes e28 has awesome pedal feel, not sure if the difference is because of no ABS? It feels very firm, like I imagined it would be with SS flex lines (That's the best I can describe it). But on my e36 I want it to feel like that, I am removing the ABS (didn't work anyway and I don't drive it in the winter) and doing SS flex lines. Then again mine may take longer than Earl to finish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 I hope manual brakes aren't as ineffective as when you roll your car down the driveway without turning it on and try to use the brakes. Id have to imagine the mechanical advantage of the MC is a little higher than on a power brake setup.Brake pads with really good cold bite would probably be important. I cant stand the brake pads I have even with power assist. I ate oatmeal for breakfast buy silver in middle of week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc43089 Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 I hope manual brakes aren't as ineffective as when you roll your car down the driveway without turning it on and try to use the brakes. Id have to imagine the mechanical advantage of the MC is a little higher than on a power brake setup.Brake pads with really good cold bite would probably be important. I cant stand the brake pads I have even with power assist. I ate oatmeal for breakfast buy silver in middle of week True, I would not remove power steering, but brakes may end up with better control/feel manual if set up properly, the kit already changes the pedal ratio from 4:1 to 6:1 to decrease effort, and you can choose between several master cylinders that will bolt right on to get the desired diameter. Mikes e28 has awesome pedal feel, not sure if the difference is because of no ABS? It feels very firm, like I imagined it would be with SS flex lines (That's the best I can describe it). But on my e36 I want it to feel like that, I am removing the ABS (didn't work anyway and I don't drive it in the winter) and doing SS flex lines. Then again mine may take longer than Earl to finish... I ate pancakes for breakfast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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