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4 hours ago, REKIII said:

The wording that got us was in the social distancing.  It said something to the effect of 6 feet of space or more, and if closer is required, limit it to less than 10 mins.  The whole spa is designed around services with a therapist/nailtech/stylist physically touching a client for 30-90 mins.  it would be easy to limit the nail room and salon to no more than 10 people but the touching is impossible to get away from.

My wife has cancelled literally 100's of appts over the next few weeks.  Most clients completely understood, some even said, "well, I really trust your cleaning procedures, are you sure I can't come in?"  It came down to liability.  We'd be going directly against the government order/recommendation if someone were to get it and trace it back to us, we'd be liable, or at least have a battle on our hands.

Too bad that grant is for businesses less than 20 employees only.  That might work for mine if the economy doesn't recover, we only have 6 people here.  We are looking into loan offerings from SBA.  Long terms, low interest rates.  Hopefully we can make that work.

I agree we can get through this, lets just hope there is something left at the end to make it worth it.

I'm really sorry to hear that's happening to your family.  The same girl has been cutting my hair for 10 years or so and has been cutting my sons hair since he was 2 1/2 or so and she had to text me today to let me know that the salon she rents a spot in had to shut down because they couldn't comply with the criteria.  It sucks and I really feel for her because I know she busts her ass at what she does and this could potentially be devastating to her and her husband.  I don't think a lot of people really grasp the economic reach this is going to have and how many businesses may disappear because of this.  As a country we're going to need to return to some form of normal in spite of the spread of the virus otherwise we'll end up with a longer lasting economic downturn that's going to destroy a lot of small business and create a larger gap in market share and wealth.

I am still out visiting customers right now and their are some dramatic differences in how this is impacting different shops.  The power equipment shops still seem to be very busy and medium truck seems to be a sector not too badly hit but the difference between two passenger/light truck shops can be dramatic.  From one shop still steady to another not seeing a car all day and I can't even say that reputation has had anything to do with it because I've seen shops with excellent reputations way down from normal.  A lot of shop owners are worried they won't be able to make payroll based on car count right now and it's scary.  I've stopped trying to "sell" customers during this time and really just try and bring some normalcy to their day.  This doesn't mean i'm not taking orders, sharing specials and setting up new accounts but i'm definitely not putting the "hard sell" on these people.  

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people can be just f*in the worst. i had this conversation today: 

 

DOUCHE GUY: I'm pissed everything is closed, i tried to go to the gym and its closed. 

ME: Just workout at home, places need to be closed.

DOUCHE GUY: No they dont, we just need to let people get sick. Only the weak ones might die.

ME: There will be lots of 'not weak' people who will die unnecessarily. We should listen to what they say.

DOUCHE GUY:Well I'm still going to work, and going out to do things and not staying home, I dont care. 

*I hear his kids playing in the background*

ME: You have kids and are married? What about your family?

DOUCHE GUY: Kids dont get sick and my wife is a healthy person.

 

Way to teach your kids to be an ignorant selfish asshole. Mostly I'm worried if more people act like this we will never solve this problem. 

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People with that attitude are a big reason why the goverment/police are mandating closings and enforcing these things... if everyone listened and followed instructions as best they can it could be significantly easier to control. Don't be a 'patient #31'

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, m42b32 said:

People with that attitude are a big reason why the goverment/police are mandating closings and enforcing these things... if everyone listened and followed instructions as best they can it could be significantly easier to control. Don't be a 'patient #31'

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html

 

 

 

Holy crap. I should really send that to a couple of my friends that are partying down south for spring break. Might put things in perspective for them. 

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9 hours ago, patsbimmer1 said:

This is scary because it's probably true.  For those unaware North Korea claims no cases of COVID-19.  Right...

 

Right, Little Rocket Man also thinks he is a supreme world power.  Probably not a reliable source of information.  He also says his country isn't malnourished and dying...

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We had absentee voting here starting on Wednesday. Thankfully they locked our door so no one in the lobby could come into our office, but the Clerks department bought a shitload of cheap pens so that way no one had to share a pen when filling out their ballet. And the common response to that the last few days was "what a good use of my tax dollars" (in a sarcastic and not sincere way). Those pens cost maybe a couple hundred bucks. Big picture, not even a drop in the bucket, but we're the bad guys for trying to keep people safe during this. :rolleyes:

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3 hours ago, jc43089 said:

Right, Little Rocket Man also thinks he is a supreme world power.  Probably not a reliable source of information.  He also says his country isn't malnourished and dying...

i'd tend to believe they do have zero cases, because that sick f*ck is probably committing genocide on coronavirus diagnosed people, as pat's post suggests. 

 

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My wife works as a specialist nurse in OBGYN and was told today that due to the number of nurses going into quarantine in urgent care from exposure and symptoms they may start to rotate nurses into urgent care.  She's very upset about this and at this point says she'll take unpaid leave before doing that.  Part of me says like hell we're missing out on paychecks and another part of me completely understands why she doesn't want to put herself and the family at risk.  I can't wait for this world to go back to normal.

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21 hours ago, patsbimmer1 said:

My wife works as a specialist nurse in OBGYN and was told today that due to the number of nurses going into quarantine in urgent care from exposure and symptoms they may start to rotate nurses into urgent care.  She's very upset about this and at this point says she'll take unpaid leave before doing that.  Part of me says like hell we're missing out on paychecks and another part of me completely understands why she doesn't want to put herself and the family at risk.  I can't wait for this world to go back to normal.

this is no good, and is the real problem behind the problem (healthcare system/workers falling behind and people who would have been able to recover will have no help)

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why are people texting us  "what are you up to today?"

we are up to nothing, and you should be too! 

things we are doing to stay busy and take advantage of a bad situation: organizing/painting closets. organizing storage room bins of "stuff". painting a bedroom. working out at home. organizing computer files. doing our taxes. deep cleaning the kitchen disposal/plumbing (stinky!). 

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I'm keeping busy replacing a timing belt on my oldest van.  1MZ-FE Toyota.  It might be original at 215k... After the timing chain breakage I'm paranoid about it...

 

Edit, I'm pretty sure it is original.  My parents bought it at around 60k and I highly doubt they ever had it replaced.

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I got some good news this morning that two of the three active jobs I am working on will not be cancelled, the customers are willing to wait until my source in Illinois opens back up again on April 7th.  Haven't heard from the third guy yet.

Bad news is my wife works at my daughter's school and she was furloughed without pay when this whole "shut everything down" thing started.  So far they haven't said when they will open back up again.

I wish someone could explain to me this fixation on hoarding toilet paper.  Are people thinking it's going to be the post-apocalyptic currency?  Maybe where the single ply Scott's will be like $1's, Angel Soft $5's and the Charmin Ultra-Soft will be like $20's?  I've heard stories of black Friday style fights in Costco over cases of TP.  WTF??

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Well the third customer told me he is going to try to find someone else to do the job rather than wait.  I've been down this road before and the way this industry is saturated now, odds of me ever seeing that guy again is low.  Oh well...

After that I heard from my data source in Illinois that his boss is defying the Governor's order and making them come in to work!  It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

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2 hours ago, wally509 said:

I wish someone could explain to me this fixation on hoarding toilet paper.  Are people thinking it's going to be the post-apocalyptic currency?  Maybe where the single ply Scott's will be like $1's, Angel Soft $5's and the Charmin Ultra-Soft will be like $20's?  I've heard stories of black Friday style fights in Costco over cases of TP.  WTF??

Funny if you do an online search you get everyone from new pundits to economists and physcologists laying out the assorted theories and explanations.

I summarize a few of them here and add some of my own interpretations. 

The "herd mentality" explanation: I need to do it because everyone else is doing it and they know something I don't. This of course leads back to who is the TP hoarder "zero" and why are/did they start buying. 

The "control mentality" explanation: The world is spiraling downhill and buying stuff is an attempt at control. Yet this is too broad and still begs the question of why buy TP versus hoard something else..

The "basic needs mentality" explanation: if I need to stock up on food and water for a period of shut-in/dislocation then I also need to stock up on TP because in the most basic biological terms what goes "in" sometime later comes "out." Since we are not a land of bidet users (and the WI sub corollary: since it's winter and no leaves on the trees as a fallback option) TP is the answer.  This argument has merit and is intensified by an array of family shut-in corollaries. 

-Basic needs Corollary 1: all the bathroom "business" I used to do at work, mall, etc I now will be doing at home, so my TP buying needs increase.

-Basic needs Corollary 2: the kid(s) are home and not doing their daily "business" at school or at the neighbors or mall, so my buying needs increase.

-Basic needs Corollary 3: at the risk of giving offense stop thinking like a "guy" and consider what may be gendered differences in consumption patterns in your household (be it female spouse/SO and or kids). Somewhat re the latter I remember my younger teenage sister and her friend visiting me in college at my off-campus apartment and after leaving them alone for the day I came home to find that they had gone through 4-6 rolls of TP.   The point is given the potential "gender disparity in use" corollary to the basic needs mentality explanation, my buying needs increase. 

Individually or in concert, these explanations result in empty shelves. 

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4 minutes ago, HipMF said:

Are places really sold out? Shelves at woodmans were still well-stocked on Friday, but I haven't been out since then.

Have you tried any asian groceries? Sad in a way, but I'm sure they're not being hit nearly as hard as the big box stores...

Most larger hardware stores carry basics like tp/paper towel too. Menards even has a small grocery section if you’re into beefaroni and questionable canned goods (which means you’d need more tp anyways) 

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