patsbimmer1 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 All signs point towards BMW discontinuing the use of the S designation for M engines (http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?7077-BMW-to-no-longer-use-S-designations-to-denote-M-engines-meaning-BMW-motors-will-all-blend-together). The question I have is, does anyone care? Plenty of other manufacturers use already existing engines in their Sport models. Audi has been doing this forever, GM has been using the LS/LT/LQ engines for decades in just about everything it'll fit in and Ford has used their V8's in everything from Mustangs to Crown Vic's and Trucks. The high performance versions are worked over versions of standard models. It's a great cost savings for the company and from a consumers standpoint we usually have parts more readily available and at a lower cost. Does anyone care that M cars won't have a "bespoke" engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REKIII Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 They've already watered down the M brand to an unacceptable degree. This makes no difference to me. B C and KaiserRolls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasnt m3 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I was over it before the news came about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m42b32 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Honestly, I like the fact that my M3 has a worked over M52. Yeah, its not nearly as good as a bespoke M engine like s50b32 or the s54, but sharing parts with non-m cars makes it a much more viable daily driver because replacement parts are comparatively inexpensive and readily available. BUT, if I had the big bucks and I wanted to buy a modern M car, I would prefer that it had something a bit more special than a few factory bolt-ons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungCR Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I agree, they should be worth the inflated price you pay for a M car these days. Otherwise its no big deal, The original M motors, M90 and M88/1, didn't have S designations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I dont care because BMW doesnt create a product that stands out as dominantly as it had in the past. BMW isnt getting worse, the competition is just getting a lot better. Very few people will see the value and reasoning behind buying an M3/M4 over a 335i/340i with bolt-ons. The "lesser" N5X is just THAT GOOD to where im not craving the top of the line engine offering. "But the M cars are better on track" Im sure they are, but until I have an insane amount of money, I have to stay with options that are cheap, simple, and easy to repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsbimmer1 Posted April 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 To me, the M brand is still aspirational. If I had the money to choose between my current car and an equal year/mileage M3 I would choose the M3 all day long and it's got nothing to do with the engine designation starting with an S. I don't think this "waters down" the M brand any further, nobody would accuse an R8 of being watered down even though the 4.2 is based on the A8 engine. BMW can go ahead and base their motorsport engines on their more peasant cars. I think it's great that they can take an N55 and do some magic then we have the new M2 engine! The guys that are complaining that their $70k+ M car doesn't have a bespoke engine is the same bag of dicks that only own it as a status symbol anyways. Iceddragon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_cars Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 i haven't bothered to look, but I'm sure there are a ton of shitfucks crying on BMW forums everywhere about this change. This is expected behavior from people who do not understand that they don't have any actual problems in their lives. It's like all the people who were protesting/up in arms against the legalization of gay marriage - the world has REAL problems to deal with like bombs going off on buses, starvation, shortages of drinking water, and general scarcity......and yet you're spending effort to protest gay marriage. This is like that only it's a bunch of affluent shitfucks who are elitist pricks that give the rest of us BMW drivers a bad reputation. I will drive any BMW that gives me an engaging driving experience the way I expect it to produce for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsbimmer1 Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Theres that word again, shitfucks. Gets me every time. 14 minutes ago, i_love_cars said: i haven't bothered to look, but I'm sure there are a ton of shitfucks crying on BMW forums everywhere about this change. This is expected behavior from people who do not understand that they don't have any actual problems in their lives. It's like all the people who were protesting/up in arms against the legalization of gay marriage - the world has REAL problems to deal with like bombs going off on buses, starvation, shortages of drinking water, and general scarcity......and yet you're spending effort to protest gay marriage. This is like that only it's a bunch of affluent shitfucks who are elitist pricks that give the rest of us BMW drivers a bad reputation. I will drive any BMW that gives me an engaging driving experience the way I expect it to produce for me B C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straight6pwr Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 47 minutes ago, i_love_cars said: I will drive any BMW that gives me an engaging driving experience the way I expect it to produce for me. this. ///m engines have always been cool, but the driving experience of the next model down is always still really good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 As long as it rage drifts, no fucks are given i_love_cars, YoungCR and KaiserRolls 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_cars Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, Earl said: As long as it rage drifts, no fucks are given welded diff bro. hoosiers bro. rage drifting into curbs at C&C bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 welded diff bro. hoosiers bro. rage drifting into curbs at C&C bro. This wouldnt have happened if the engine code was N55 patsbimmer1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsbimmer1 Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 1 hour ago, i_love_cars said: welded diff bro. hoosiers bro. rage drifting into curbs at C&C bro. Hoosiers? Nah bro, all about dem Nankangs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REKIII Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 10 hours ago, patsbimmer1 said: To me, the M brand is still aspirational. If I had the money to choose between my current car and an equal year/mileage M3 I would choose the M3 all day long and it's got nothing to do with the engine designation starting with an S. I don't think this "waters down" the M brand any further, nobody would accuse an R8 of being watered down even though the 4.2 is based on the A8 engine. BMW can go ahead and base their motorsport engines on their more peasant cars. I think it's great that they can take an N55 and do some magic then we have the new M2 engine! The guys that are complaining that their $70k+ M car doesn't have a bespoke engine is the same bag of dicks that only own it as a status symbol anyways. Not really. M is now just a glorified trim package. If BMW made a minivan, there would be an M version. People only want the badge. Granted, the widebody packages and what not look cool, so, like you, I would also like an M version. But I'm not buying it because of the engine, just looks and the badge. And the R8 IS watered down if it has the 4.2 in it . They only build that car so they can sell it cheaper than the 5.2, again to people who just want the status symbol. You could say that the lower level cars have gotten that much better, but that again means BMW has not been doing there job, the M cars should stay 'that' much better as well. Instead they are gigantic boat anchors that have huge horsepower numbers and more electronic nannies than a prison ankle bracelet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungCR Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Best Partners Ever BMW and McLaren Will Work on Engines Together kinda related, my first thought was this may lead to what's next for the ///M motors as well as Mclaren's future power plants too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 My guess is hybrid powertrains will be the focus of their efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsbimmer1 Posted February 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 BMW has already assured the world that there will be an electric M car (http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/01/11/bmw-m-boss-says-electric-m-cars-inevitable/) but BMW has done a bit of their own R&D with electric motors and mass produced carbon fiber so I don't know how much they can gain from Mclaren. If anything I could see Mclaren gathering information from BMW regarding manufacturing processes. Who knows if Mclaren plans to remain a boutique manufacturer or enter the realms of mass produced luxury sports cars. I think a hybrid M is the next step for BMW which makes sense with this partnership but I can't say i'd be surprised if they went straight to electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhundley Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 BMW made an electric powered e30 back in the late 80's. I tried hunting for an article on it but came up short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m42b32 Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 25 minutes ago, andyhundley said: BMW made an electric powered e30 back in the late 80's. I tried hunting for an article on it but came up short. https://www.wired.com/2012/12/40-years-bmw-evs/ This one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhundley Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Thats the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B C Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Dont forget the 2002! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patsbimmer1 Posted February 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Ya know, that looks like a lot but that whole set up may weigh less or the same as the engine trans/ set up. That's interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m42b32 Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 35 minutes ago, Snap said: Dont forget the 2002! I actually got to see one of the original electric 1602's when I went to Europe a few years ago! I'll have to see if I can dig up pictures. they didn't have the hood open or anything unfortunately. B C and Jeff 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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